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argie
2006-05-27, 12:39 PM
I'm trying to figure out the lineage and generations of my CDRs for my list. When I first started collecting shows I traded audio only. I thought "what do I need flac and shn for when they'll burn an audio disc for me?". Some of my trades came with a lineage printed out with them. Here are some examples:

(01.) AUD > ??? > LP Bootleg > WAV > SHN >WAV > CDR (my copy)
(02.) CDRm > EAC (secure) > WAV > CDR (my copy)
(03.) AT635 > D8 > CDR > EAC > FLAC > WAV > CDR (my copy)

Does the generation go like this: master > 1st. gen > 2nd. gen. > ......

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

mgleason007
2006-05-27, 10:51 PM
01 - AUD is the recording, then it goes to several unknown generations, than another LP generation, then to your copy (WAV > SHN > WAV, if that's really what happened, would not alter the files)

02 - CDRm (master), your copy is first gen.

03 - D8 is the master, CDR should be the 1st gen, your copy is second gen.

If you'd like to get original lossless (or as close as is available), let me know what bands you have and I'll see if I can help you out at all.


An additional note: If a DAT transfer (say from the D8 in the third example) is done properly to a PC, it'll be digitally identical, so it is also a master for all intents and purposes. If it is then properly encoded to FLAC (or SHN if it was recorded in 16 bit), all copies of those FLAC files will be bit-perfect against the original DAT, and could also be considered a master.

cobain72
2006-05-29, 07:15 AM
When dealing with digital media generation info is pointless!! Whats the point if you have a CD-R (35) or DVD-R (4)?? The Quality is still the same. So never use generation info for digital media :nono: People who say the contrary are wrong imo. But that's only for digital media, if you have old tapes the generation is very impotant!!

mgleason007
2006-05-29, 07:42 AM
When dealing with digital media generation info is pointless!! Whats the point if you have a CD-R (35) or DVD-R (4)?? The Quality is still the same. So never use generation info for digital media :nono: People who say the contrary are wrong imo. But that's only for digital media, if you have old tapes the generation is very impotant!!
If it's an audio CD, then it can make a huge difference. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. There's also this whole mp3 thing I've been hearing about.

Five
2006-05-29, 10:32 AM
^totally true. audio cdr gens aren't as serious as analog gens, but make a big difference and must be notated.