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toys
2004-12-17, 01:10 PM
Hey, often when I'm running torrents here my PC just shuts itself off and restarts. Gives me the "Your PC had recovered from a serious error" message. Doesn't happen when I've got torrents going from any other sites, only this one. Now, this is the only site I've ever seeded shows on, and its when I've got windows open for the shows I'm seeding that I encounter the shutdown/serious error recovery message. Any clue as to what the problem might be? Sometimes everything will be fine for 36 hours, sometimes won't have a problem at all, but still annoying - especially when I bump a thread for a show I'm seeding telling people to jump on now cuz I'm going to move on, and then a couple hours later when I'm at work and can't do anything about it the home PC does a restart and I'm not seeding the show any more.

TheMamba
2004-12-17, 01:56 PM
What OS are you on?

Everytime your computer crashes (or comes across errors) it should create an error log. First step would be to look at the error log and see what it says or what the error was. I'm at work right now and don't remember the steps off the top of my head on how to get to the error log....and I don't have access to it here on my work computer.

My second question(s) would be how much space do you have on your hard drive, how long since your last defrag?

When you're seeding or leaching, the computer is constantly writing to and reading the hard disk. So....a far off possibility is that your hard drive is going bad.

Doesn't happen when I've got torrents going from any other sites, only this one.

That has me puzzled.

toys
2004-12-17, 02:39 PM
Yeah I get the error log, looked at it and it made no sense to me. Next time I get it I'll post the log so maybe someone with the tech knowledge can explain it to me.

Only a couple of GB space left on the hard drive.... so many shows yet to burn. Was wondering if that was the issue, since if I've got only one torrent running the PC seems to be fine. Two, it shuts down after awhile. Three, it shuts down while still checking the existing data for the third torrent.

PC is only about a year old, so the hard drive better not be going bad yet.

Rider
2004-12-17, 02:54 PM
Yeah I get the error log, looked at it and it made no sense to me. Next time I get it I'll post the log so maybe someone with the tech knowledge can explain it to me.

Only a couple of GB space left on the hard drive.... so many shows yet to burn. Was wondering if that was the issue, since if I've got only one torrent running the PC seems to be fine. Two, it shuts down after awhile. Three, it shuts down while still checking the existing data for the third torrent.

PC is only about a year old, so the hard drive better not be going bad yet.


To me it sounds like either something with your hard drives or heat. The part where it shuts down while chcking files sounds like a heat issue to me. File checking causes your processor to max out which causes heat. The more torrents you run the harder your drive is working the more heat it generates.

It could be number of things. The log might help.

feralicious
2004-12-17, 03:20 PM
Yep, maybe your CPU is overheating. That will cause a PC to reboot on its own. There's utilities to test this. I've never tried one, but here's a google search:
http://www.google.com/search?q=CPU+temperature+test&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Though I've never had a message like that when mine rebooted, it just booted up normally. If it is that, there are ways of keeping it cool. Heatsinks, gel, I don't really know the details, but if you google you can find out. You can also get a metal thing to put around your HD that keeps it cool. You might be able to add fans depending on your case. They make some that will fit into one of the external drive bays. Here's a couple sites I bought stuff from at good prices if you need it.
http://www.coolerguys.com/
http://www.xpcgear.com/

Also, have you added any new components lately? If so, is your power supply big enough to handle it? If you're not sending enough power out then things will start failing and eventually the power supply will die.

Since I've gotten a new case with 7 fans and a bigger power supply I haven't had that problem. (Just a 250gb HD FULL of music that won't read after I moved it over :()

And finally, you might want to open the case and blow out any dust that may have collected in your exhaust/intake fans and your CPU fan with a can of air regardless of what it is if you've never done that.

Andy L
2004-12-17, 04:07 PM
It definitely sounds like overheating... but there's also a small chance that it could be a faulty motherboard. A few years ago, I built a computer which would reboot randomly - once I had replaced the motherboard with another make, it worked fine. But if you've had the PC for a year already, it's pretty unlikely.

toys
2004-12-17, 04:32 PM
No new components, so the power shouldn't be a problem. I guess it could be overheating, although the pc is in the coolest room in the house where its usually around 70 or cooler. Here's the error stuff it gives me after it reboots -

Error signature
BCCode:77 BCP1:C000009C BCP2:C000009C BCP3:00000000
BCP4:04101000 OSVer:5_1_2600 SP:2_0 Product:768_1

Error Report Contents
The following files will be included in this error report:
C:DOCUME~1\Owner\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER1cda.dir00\Mini121704-01.dmp
C:DOCUME~1\Owner\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER1cda.dir00\sysdata.xml

toys
2004-12-17, 04:33 PM
lol, thats supposed to be C"colon"DOCUME etc., not C :D OCUME

feralicious
2004-12-17, 04:34 PM
Error Report Contents
The following files will be included in this error report:
C:DOCUME~1\Owner\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER1cda.dir00\Mini121704-01.dmp
C:DOCUME~1\Owner\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER1cda.dir00\sysdata.xml
How dare they mock you with those smilies! :lol

Try a CPU temperature test. You can download a software one somewhere for free.

feralicious
2004-12-17, 04:59 PM
Oh, and even if it's in the coolest room, if it's constantly working and the airflow isn't too great, the components are going to heat up. How many fans do you have on the case? A lot of cases only have one in the back and if it's on all the time that may not be enough. It's good to have intake fans on the front and side/bottom and exhaust fans on the back ( and some have a blowhole on the top as well). So if you just have one on the back, make sure it's an exhaust fan and then if you have an open 5 1/2" bay you can add a fan unit that has 2-3 little intake fans in it and that will blow the cool air passt your drives and mobo and stuff absorbing the heat and the increased air flow will get the warm air out of your system faster.

toys
2004-12-17, 05:18 PM
Installed a motherboard monitoring program - which I'd never heard of before and I find kind of cool :) - so I can monitor the PC temp. Room temp is 69 degrees, but right now the PC temp is 89 even though its not running anything. I do only have one exhaust fan in the back. The airflow is okay but not great. Got an empty bay up front, so most likely will be getting another fan for the front to help cool. Also will be taking the case off and blowing out any and all dust inside this weekend. Right now though I'm gonna start up a torrent and see how much it raises the PC temp.

toys
2004-12-17, 05:47 PM
From 89 to 91... now up to 93. Am I a huge geek to be fascinated watching my PC temp climb as a result of torrenting a show? Sitting here wondering what excess stress we're all putting on our PCs with music downloading.

TheMamba
2004-12-17, 05:59 PM
Well, your temp isn't too high. I'm assuming that it's reading the Socket temperature. But, heat was another thing that came to mind after I first posted.

Give you an idea on temp - my computer used to get wonky around 60 C - 143 F. Now with my new CPU cooler it runs around 38 C - 100 F.

I don't know what error log you're looking at, but try this.

In Windows XP, go to your start menu and then Administrative tools. Select Event Viewer. Up pops a new window. Click on System. On the right hand side of the window should be a list of "events." Look for the one around the time that your computer crashed - there should be a big red Stop sign or something. Double click that event and a new window will pop up. There will be a description on the bottom....up towards the top will be an Even ID.

What does all that say?


Other thing: the handful of gigs left to spare MAY be the problem....depending on how big your Swap File is.

The easy and inexpensive way would be to sit down and burn a shit load of shows off of your hard drive, delete them, defrag, and see if the problem persists.

wattershed
2004-12-17, 06:04 PM
It may very well be a heat/cooling issue, but there's one thing nobody's mentioned so far in this thread...

What brand/model ethernet card do you have? There are some ethernet cards that simply buckle under the strain of a constantly maxed out pipe, either up or downloading.

You say it doesn't happen on other torrent sites you use, but it could be that you just have more people on the torrents seeded here. Not saying this is definitely the problem, but if the temperature remains steady while the problem still persists it's something to look in to.

toys
2004-12-17, 07:16 PM
Did the event viewer, found an error around 8:30AM telling me there was a bad block on my hard disk. Then around 9:50 a whole bunch of logs telling me that programs had restarted, including a suspicious one saying the computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. Went to defrag, since I can't recall when I last did that - and I couldn't defrag, didn't have the available space on the hard drive to run it. Got rid of a bunch of stuff and defragging now. I'll let you know if I still get any shutdowns/reboots in a day or two or if the defragging and file deletions solve the problem. (oh, and PC temp is holding steady at 93, even after running a torrent for a couple hours, so I'm ready to rule out temperature)

ColinM
2004-12-17, 08:17 PM
I'm running at 197 F. Is that a bad thing? :hmm: :eek:

Rider
2004-12-18, 02:58 AM
I'm running at 197 F. Is that a bad thing? :hmm: :eek:


yep anything over 180 will be really bad. I'm amazed your not having problems.

ColinM
2004-12-18, 03:12 AM
yep anything over 180 will be really bad. I'm amazed your not having problems.

Yeah. Guess what I'm doing tomorrow? :D

I will admit to one fuckup just recently. I pulled out my older backup HDD, installed another one, made my external bunrer an internal unit, reformatted and blew out all the dust that had accumulated on the MB, RAM, etc. Got it home and threw on the "other" side of the case, since it had been off for like 12 months. Within 24 hours, it shit all over me. I promptly pulled that other side off and have had no trouble since.

Go figure...

TheMamba
2004-12-18, 09:24 AM
:roflol: :roflol:

jcrab66
2004-12-18, 10:04 AM
i've been running constantly for almost 2 years with an occasional reboot every couple of weeks pushin 6 or 7 GB a day up and never had a problem with heat or shut downs, but like the earlier post i havent had one side on the puter the whole time and it stays nice and cool in there.....

Presence
2004-12-18, 11:06 AM
This message has nothing to do with CPU overheat. NOTHING. Lately it most often has to do with spyware or hijacked executables, sometimes involving the Windows pagefile. However, in your case it may be the torrent software itself causing the Blue Screen of Death (which you don't get a chance to see because the default setting in XP is to autoreboot on Blue Screen). Make sure you have the latest edition of whatever torrent software you use.

toys
2004-12-18, 01:37 PM
I probably should get the new version of adaware, since it doesn't look like they've updated the reference file for 6.0 since the end of October and they probably never will. The 5.8.7 version of Shadow's Bit Torrent client I use is also old, and I could update that as well. So far though its looking like a lack of hard drive maintenence was causing my problems. Drive was horribly, horribly fragmented. Trying to recall when I last did a defrag or checked the hard drive for errors, and I can't. May not have done it since I bought the PC a year ago. Shame on me, but at least let me serve as an example to the rest of ya. I let my system go to shit for so long that it was getting to the point where I couldn't even run torrents.

Oh, and current PC temp is 87 degrees. Still think the temperature monitoring software is cool. :)

Presence
2004-12-18, 03:43 PM
With a full and heavily fragmented hard drive, I would be inclined to suspect it was indeed Windows' pagefile. It probably could not read & write to it fast enough to keep up with all you had going on, causing a memory lock.

oldbrokentapes
2004-12-18, 03:57 PM
...the Blue Screen of Death (which you don't get a chance to see because the default setting in XP is to autoreboot on Blue Screen)...As the issue has been raised here, is there an easy way to disable this? A while back I was convinced I had some very sneaky virus or spyware rebooting my system, or some faulty mains lead or SOMETHING because these are the only causes I associated with such symptoms. I eventually discovered it was just a driver of some kind (wireless card I think) causing a conflict that would traditionally lead to a blue screen. Drove me insane and as such I now yearn to see the Blue Screen of Death once more!

Andy L
2004-12-18, 04:03 PM
As the issue has been raised here, is there an easy way to disable this? A while back I was convinced I had some very sneaky virus or spyware rebooting my system, or some faulty mains lead or SOMETHING because these are the only causes I associated with such symptoms. I eventually discovered it was just a driver of some kind (wireless card I think) causing a conflict that would traditionally lead to a blue screen. Drove me insane and as such I now yearn to see the Blue Screen of Death once more!

If you're using XP, go to Control Panel -> System -> Advanced -> Startup and Recovery -> Settings -> Automatically Restart

oldbrokentapes
2004-12-18, 04:06 PM
If you're using XP, go to Control Panel -> System -> Advanced -> Startup and Recovery -> Settings -> Automatically RestartCool, cheers. Now I just need to abuse my computer in all manner of ways and I'll be graced by shiney blue goodness ;)

feralicious
2004-12-18, 04:27 PM
Oh, and current PC temp is 87 degrees. Still think the temperature monitoring software is cool. :)Can you give me a link to the one you're using?

toys
2004-12-18, 04:37 PM
Can you give me a link to the one you're using?

http://mbm.livewiredev.com/download.html

TheMamba
2004-12-18, 09:40 PM
With a full and heavily fragmented hard drive, I would be inclined to suspect it was indeed Windows' pagefile. It probably could not read & write to it fast enough to keep up with all you had going on, causing a memory lock.

I concur.

Check back in a day or two and let us know how it's going, toys.

toys
2004-12-19, 09:14 PM
After burning a bunch of shows to clear some space off my hard drive, AND doing a much needed defrag, the problem seems to be resolved. I had three torrent windows open for over 36 hours, which would have caused a reboot within an hour or so before. Thank all of you for all of your suggestions and help.

(plus, now I got that cool motherboard monitoring software!)

jcrab66
2004-12-19, 10:05 PM
damn, mbm dont work on my puter...:(

Five
2004-12-20, 05:55 AM
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/download.html
my gf just got it working... this kicks ass!!

thanks for the link

TheMamba
2004-12-20, 06:03 AM
damn, mbm dont work on my puter...:(

Jcrabb: If you can't get MBM to work with your computer, check with your motherboard manufacturer's website. Some have their own utilities to do this - I know ASUS does.

ColinM
2004-12-20, 03:55 PM
guess the other monitor I tried sucked ass. Oh well. I'm doing better today, obviously:

toys
2006-10-25, 08:38 PM
i still like using mbm :thumbsup

jcrab66
2006-10-25, 11:14 PM
damn, nice bump, forgot all about this, was suprised to see i posted here :lmao:

mikehit47
2008-03-01, 11:47 AM
I'm trying to put a nail in the coffin now, please excuse my bad english (it can get bad from time to time... :P)

First of all, I'm posting here since this is the most "popular" link when you google your "CRT invalid display type" problem.

I have an old Dell CRT monitor and the Radeon 9950 graphic card

Now, they are saying:

"Symptoms:

When a digital panel connected to the graphics card the Windows system log will show the error CRT invalid display type, the source is ati2mtag. This occurs with Catalyst 7.7 and higher

Solution:
This error will not cause any issues to the system or performance. If you do not want to see the error, the workaround is to install Catalyst 7.6.

ATI Engineering has been advised of this issue and is investigating. Any updates will be published when they become available."

One word for that: BULLSHIT!

Sorry for the bad language...

The thing is that with Catalyst 7.6 you'll have the same problem! And the only way to "workaround" this is installing the oldest Catalyst driver you can find, I personally tried 5.11 and it worked just fine... So that's done, you solve the problem, but maybe you would like to read a little further, just for your general culture...

They all want you to buy them new products!
So as your hardware is getting old you will find it more difficult to find "official software" for it on the official sites! Just as you can see in this case, the hardware is incompatible for like 4 years now and they don't care!