Ratio Enforcement

[RicDeez]

Now that the new tracker has been running for a few months, is there any possibility to enforcing ratio? This is something that a few of us seeders are starting to get fed up with, and would like to see a change, or we may have to change where we seed. Comments? Suggestions?? I am proposing maybe an enforcement of a .65 or better ratio. I know that is a little low, but we have to start somewhere.

[U2Lynne]

The first thing I'm going to do is start posting a list of the latest 'Snatchers', that should help out on some of the Hit and Runs that are going on.

[oldfan]

I've been testing a ratio enforcer on my site for about a month and a half now.
It seems to be working well, if you want to take a look at what I got shoot me a PM :)

[Chachi420]

Now that the new tracker has been running for a few months, is there any possibility to enforcing ratio? This is something that a few of us seeders are starting to get fed up with, and would like to see a change, or we may have to change where we seed. Comments? Suggestions?? I am proposing maybe an enforcement of a .65 or better ratio. I know that is a little low, but we have to start somewhere.
I thought 0.65 is a little high... I was thinking maybe 0.3 or 0.4. Clearly peple with 0.01 or 0.1 ratios are abusing the bittorrent though
also, the tracker stats aren't at all accurate...I've been seeding constantly on my desktop and the stats don't reflect it accurately anyway (and never really has) if you use multiple computers on the same network, or login from work etc etc...
there was one tracker I remember that kept a log of everyone that ever downloaded a particular torrent (yes, the list was hundreds of ppl long for each torrent), and I liked that..

[gsmyth79]

there was one tracker I remember that kept a log of everyone that ever downloaded a particular torrent (yes, the list was hundreds of ppl long for each torrent), and I liked that..

That's what Lynne is working on right now.

[oldfan]

I've got my site set at .50, I think thats more that fair :)

[armanistyle187]

I would like to see some sort of enforcement...I know my ratio isn't that high, but I have three shows running now, in hopes of getting my ratio up so if you need one of them, get on it!!! I would have to say that .50 is a good place to start, then go from there.... :)

[Pot Head]

I vote yes on the ratio enforcement. :clap: I dont find it hard at all to keep ratio above 1.00 an i'm pretty much downloading 24/7. I would suggest .75........if you cant keep up with that than u are downloading to much shit.

[gsmyth79]

These ratio cutoffs are all too harsh IMO. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum around here and for right now we're sticking with what we've got.

[Neilyboy]

I like pie. :)

Neil

[aegert]

These ratio cutoffs are all too harsh IMO. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum around here and for right now we're sticking with what we've got.


I let another site because of this ratio thing... Lets just say at one time we all had next to nothing to offer.... I think it is elitist and ugly to have ratios its about sharing and teaching and leading by example.

This is the way to get the hit and runs to stay. Don't scare people off. Some people are grabbing at work as they don't have a computer on line at home but are behind a fire wall that doesn’t allow them to UL... After a while they will upgrade at home. if you have been good to them they will be there when you need them....

Finally don't we all have a lot better things to do than to stare at a tracker all day just waiting... itching to throw stones... Peace be the Journey...Cool runnin's

:D A

[gsmyth79]

The "Last Ten Snatches" feature will definitely change things around here. Don't worry.

[oldfan]

The "Last Ten Snatches" feature will definitely change things around here. Don't worry.

I most cases the "Snatcher" will re-register, thats been my experience.
New username and new ratio... :(

[diggrd]

I like pie. :)

Neil
I like snatches :D

[gsmyth79]

I most cases the "Snatcher" will re-register, thats been my experience.
New username and new ratio... :(

we can ban IPs very easily here.

[Chachi420]

we can ban IPs very easily here.
does not that only work if the ip is static though??

[Chachi420]

I like snatches :D
well, who could argue with that statement?!?!

[gsmyth79]

idk. we got rid of mort, that's all i know.

[teabaggins]

while i agree that a share ratio enforcement would be beneficial to weed out the skallywaggers who hit and run. it hurts the dndlder's who have to wait to jump on a torrent due to there upld caps. i dont think that share ratio enforcement is the only means necessary to weed out the junk. after all, the groove can stay alive through vines or bnp's. sometimes it can be tough to keep a 1:1 ratio depending on the torrent and peers. i think enforcement should be based on one's contribution to the community. i mean there are the one's who blatantly hit and run and then there are the kat's who make this site effin fantastic.

[Chachi420]

while i agree that a share ratio enforcement would be beneficial to weed out the skallywaggers who hit and run. it hurts the dndlder's who have to wait to jump on a torrent due to there upld caps. i dont think that share ratio enforcement is the only means necessary to weed out the junk. after all, the groove can stay alive through vines or bnp's. sometimes it can be tough to keep a 1:1 ratio depending on the torrent and peers. i think enforcement should be based on one's contribution to the community. i mean there are the one's who blatantly hit and run and then there are the kat's who make this site effin fantastic.
I agree...sometimes it is hard to keep 1:1 depending on a particular torrnet and number of peers wanting to dl that show, but the point is that almost everybody has an upload cap including myself...if everyone had a 0.1 ratio then nothing would ever be shared...the burden of spreading the music should be spread among the community and it is not right for some people to just download and then run on to dl the next torrent and the next without ever stopping to share...lets be realistic here for a second too, those that are ul their parts are usually the ones doing the b&p offers and dvd/cd production as well and those that aren't ul their parts are usually just pure leeches imo
btw, people can know who is doing their part when they notice other people with a ratio like 1.16 such as your own--thanks!

in final thought....ppl with ul cap (ie everybody) cannot dl every single show that they see...MAIL TRADE PPL!!!!

[gsmyth79]

we are beating a dead horse here. the people grabbing and running aren't even reading these threads.

i put in for some trades for recent shows seeded here. no offers, nothin' at all. probably because i posted it in the right forum.

[Black Dog]

My ratio has been as low as .44 and as high as .77 I always leave completed shows open until their seems to be little or no demand. I doubt I'll ever be out of the "red" until I have something qualified to seed here.........:cool:

[Chachi420]

now that I think about it...I (we) should start seeding new shows at DIME where they have a ratio and just external announce it here so it can easily be located using the nice ttd search function...also shows will get more exposure from it being posted at 2 sites rather than just 1 ;)

[Chachi420]

My ratio has been as low as .44 and as high as .77 I always leave completed shows open until their seems to be little or no demand. I doubt I'll ever be out of the "red" until I have something qualified to seed here.........:cool:

actually...to get out of the red you just have to download less ...there is simply too much material for everyone to download everything....
MAIL TRADE!!!!! :)

[gsmyth79]

now that I think about it...I (we) should start seeding new shows at DIME where they have a ratio and just external announce it here so it can easily be located using the nice ttd search function...also shows will get more exposure from it being posted at 2 sites rather than just 1 ;)

That's a good idea, except that Dime has that stupid user cap. Many people not registered there won't be able to get them except by trades.

[Chachi420]

That's a good idea, except that Dime has that stupid user cap. Many people not registered there won't be able to get them except by trades.
old accounts are removed daily, so ppl can still sign up...they just have to be persistent

[teabaggins]

why cant we start a trading circle. take the basic idea of a loop, but on a much smaller level. i mean, we bascially all are grabbing the same material, so why not save the bandwidth. it could start w/ a PM or a thread, notifying a group of peers that im interested in these torrents. as a group, each one can dnld a seperate show individually and pass it along to the next. that way when one of us is swamped with dnldin and upldin we wont miss anything one might desire. we can list wat we are dnlding and wat we want to grab. i mean we all dont need to grab the same show, if we are all interested in it. ive been doing this, somewhat, with a trader in here that happens to live close to me. hell ask me if im gonna grab this torrent. he will add the link to the pm. telling me he is currently grabbing this other torrent offering it to me inexchange. every two to three weeks we have traded.

[gsmyth79]

why cant we start a trading circle. take the basic idea of a loop, but on a much smaller level. i mean, we bascially all are grabbing the same material, so why not save the bandwidth. it could start w/ a PM or a thread, notifying a group of peers that im interested in these torrents. as a group, each one can dnld a seperate show individually and pass it along to the next. that way when one of us is swamped with dnldin and upldin we wont miss anything one might desire. we can list wat we are dnlding and wat we want to grab. i mean we all dont need to grab the same show, if we are all interested in it. ive been doing this, somewhat, with a trader in here that happens to live close to me. hell ask me if im gonna grab this torrent. he will add the link to the pm. telling me he is currently grabbing this other torrent offering it to me inexchange. every two to three weeks we have traded.

that could become exclusionary and also very complicated.

[dirtface]

Now that the new tracker has been running for a few months, is there any possibility to enforcing ratio? This is something that a few of us seeders are starting to get fed up with, and would like to see a change, or we may have to change where we seed. Comments? Suggestions?? I am proposing maybe an enforcement of a .65 or better ratio. I know that is a little low, but we have to start somewhere.

Hi Ric,
First off I want to say thanks to everyone who gives so much such as yourself. I really appreciate it.

Though I agree with SRE you have to remember that there are people who don't tape but are willing to give band width, funds ect. to be a contributor. That said, when a person first jumps on board they are going to have to be a dl'er before thay can give (unless funds will buy a lower ration or something like that). A .6 ratio makes it tough for them to even get started unless you have a fairly high cycle increment. I mean, during the course of a typical torrent I very seldom will attain that kind of ratio so if the cycle is less than the file set size and for some reason there is an interruption during the download a person could end up being excluded from contributing before they even have a chance.

Lets say the SRE is .6 and the cycle is 5 gig. Someone comes along and creates an account and find a great DVD9 that they want to grab. They get the torrent and are pulling down a screaming 80K but are only putting up 10. They get 7 gig into the torrent and their wife decides she isn't going to wait another day to check her email and BitTorrent make everything so slow. She kills the program and BAM they can't join the torrent anymore? Is this how it would work or would there be some way to join a partially completed torrent as a seeder? What if you set the ratio low for the first X gig of traffic for a person then increment it up as they become more of either a help or a burden? That way someone who is willing to give as much or more than they take would have a chance to build a buffer up against such a situation.

[jcrab66]

excuses are like assholes.......

[dirtface]

excuses are like assholes.......

can I ask who this was aimed at?

[Chachi420]

Thanks for the new additions of "snatchers" and full list of downloaders to the tracker stats! I'm sure that will help out a lot :)

[gsmyth79]

And mods can (or will soon be able to see) the complete list.

[jazzbo]

And mods can (or will soon be able to see) the complete list.

Just a thought, was thought put to the legal implications of this? I just mention it because DaD has always intentionally not kept 'snatched' statistics so they would have a degree of plausible deniability if they were ever asked to turn over download stats under a legal order if a band('s lawyer) ever chose to do a 180 on allowing trading of their material.

[jcrab66]

can I ask who this was aimed at?

you can ask all you want....

[TheMamba]

They get 7 gig into the torrent and their wife decides she isn't going to wait another day to check her email and BitTorrent make everything so slow. She kills the program and BAM they can't join the torrent anymore?

Off topic:

:hmm:

Just restart the torrent and point it at the folder where you already started...your client will check what you have against the torrent and pick up where you left off...

[gsmyth79]

Yes but what he's saying is that his ratio will be well below the .60 cutoff. So he may get booted before he even has a chance to participate and upload.

[TheMamba]

He'd already have the torrent file downloaded...... ;)

[karmakat]

He'd already have the torrent file downloaded...... ;)

Yes, and red does look good on you. ;)

Sometimes I wonder where people come up with these what ifs...

[sadu]

I agree. It's sometimes hard to stay 1:1 with TTD torrents. It's just not possible with most connections. Having said that...there should be a .5 ratio to keep people honest.

Like chachi and others have said. Mail trade. I took their advice and I'm getting 30 new dvd's a week right now. There's so much out there now. Here, Dime, boot, purlive, yusheek, mininova, how are you going to download all of that? Mail trade and make your life easy.

People will have to be selective and smart about what they grab. It could backfire because of less people on each torrent.

I like the snatchers list too..but unlike other "snackers" list that I have seen, it doesn't show the up/dl. Our list is not 100% fair because someone could jump off early..but have upped 10:1 but it appears like a hit and run. I guess the system will get better with time..not complaining.

[TheMamba]

Yes, and red does look good on you. ;)

:redface: :naughty:

[PintOfGuinness2]

Mail trade, mail trade, mail trade. that's the key.Use download partners, work together getting the shows you want and then trade with eachother. Where there's a will there's a way. And the argument of "there being no demand" and jumping off is pretty much BS. On this board torrents never seem to die there are always a handful of people that mssed the boat on a show and would like in. The problem is jumping on to that next torrent before you've shared enough... I'd like to see a minimal enforcement just to keep honest people honest,a nd to encourage those who don't have ports forwarded to learn how. .3 or .4???

[bubbybooshay]

Mail trade, mail trade, mail trade. that's the key.Use download partners, work together getting the shows you want and then trade with eachother. Where there's a will there's a way. And the argument of "there being no demand" and jumping off is pretty much BS. On this board torrents never seem to die there are always a handful of people that mssed the boat on a show and would like in. The problem is jumping on to that next torrent before you've shared enough... I'd like to see a minimal enforcement just to keep honest people honest,a nd to encourage those who don't have ports forwarded to learn how. .3 or .4???


excellent point :clap: now on to a couple of pints of guinness...

[Spelunker]

Thanks for the new additions of "snatchers" and full list of downloaders to the tracker stats! I'm sure that will help out a lot :)

I would say 1% of the ppl that dl from these sites post in the threads. Why would anyone care that his made up name is on a list of ppl who didn't share?