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emptyzero
2004-12-14, 07:28 AM
Clann Z
July 29th 2004
the Casbah
Hamilton, ON
Canada

Taper: Anthony Volodkin (anthonyv@<hidden>)
Seeder: emptyzero
Source: Soundboard
Lineage: Soundboard (mono feed) > Laptop > 24bit WAV (downsampled to 16bit) > FLAC
Conversion:
Resampling: Originally recorded as 24bit sound, downsampled to 16bits.
Editing: Copied right channel to left channel with Soundforge, track splits with CDWave 1.93
Size: 177MB (FLAC)
TRT: 1 hour 8 minutes 7 seconds
NOTE: The soundboard was producing a mono signal which i then copied to both channels in Soundforge later.

RainDawg
2004-12-14, 08:26 AM
Yes, that looks fine to me.

Karst
2004-12-14, 09:32 AM
Maybe make a note that this is 'fake stereo'?

feralicious
2004-12-14, 01:56 PM
Maybe make a note that this is 'fake stereo'?
You mean like this? ;)


Lineage: Soundboard (mono feed) > Laptop > 24bit WAV (downsampled to 16bit) > FLAC
<snip>
Editing: Copied right channel to left channel with Soundforge, track splits with CDWave 1.93
<snip>
NOTE: The soundboard was producing a mono signal which i then copied to both channels in Soundforge later.

emptyzero
2004-12-15, 06:26 PM
hmm a post i made in this thread has been deleted somehow as well as the actual thread I posted a seed for this show, weird.

Five
2004-12-15, 10:54 PM
hmm a post i made in this thread has been deleted somehow as well as the actual thread I posted a seed for this show, weird.
*ahem* just a small glitch in the matrix. Please send a pm to myself or any other mod and we'll get this sorted out for you. sorry for the inconvenience.

U2Lynne
2004-12-15, 11:57 PM
We've already IMed and gotten this taken care of. You guys can see the show seeded here (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1594).

New Homebrew
2004-12-16, 12:26 AM
Maybe make a note that this is 'fake stereo'?

Two identical channels is a mono recording.

Karst
2004-12-16, 06:04 AM
Two identical channels is a mono recording.

Just a bit of background. In the sixties the record companies (esp. Capitol Records in the US) were obsessed with attaining a stereo type effect for the mono recordings that they had. I think the most well-know of these is Pink Floyd's Arnold Layne on the Relics release. Capitol initially used terms as Duophonic for these releases where the mono signal was pratically doubled up from one channel to two. The problem with these was that when played on stereo equipment they seem to attain a significant amount of reverb.

I'd say with any live-recording the issue is quite different. Audience recordings clearly depend a lot more on position and quality of the equipment. Soundboard depends very much on the live mixing desk setup - the latter is prossibly the cause of the fact that this is a mono recording. Now the issue might be that the signal was 'collated' through the laptop input and was originally stereo. Maybe the original taper could shed some light on this. I'm also wondering why it was mixed down from 24 bit?

Five
2004-12-16, 01:16 PM
I'm also wondering why it was mixed down from 24 bit?
16bit is still the standard, most people have soundcards that can't actually play back 24bit without harshly truncating to 16bit. If dither wasn't applied during the conversion done to the show in question this was indeed a misstep.

New Homebrew
2004-12-16, 07:14 PM
Just a bit of background. In the sixties the record companies (esp. Capitol Records in the US) were obsessed with attaining a stereo type effect for the mono recordings that they had. I think the most well-know of these is Pink Floyd's Arnold Layne on the Relics release. Capitol initially used terms as Duophonic for these releases where the mono signal was pratically doubled up from one channel to two. The problem with these was that when played on stereo equipment they seem to attain a significant amount of reverb.

I'd say with any live-recording the issue is quite different. Audience recordings clearly depend a lot more on position and quality of the equipment. Soundboard depends very much on the live mixing desk setup - the latter is prossibly the cause of the fact that this is a mono recording. Now the issue might be that the signal was 'collated' through the laptop input and was originally stereo. Maybe the original taper could shed some light on this. I'm also wondering why it was mixed down from 24 bit?

Hello to you, the right honorable gentleman from Belfast. The fake stereo effects you are describing occur when a producer or whatever adds some differences between the channels that weren't there. Identical L and R channels will give you a mono recording.

feralicious
2004-12-16, 08:56 PM
I'd say with any live-recording the issue is quite different. Audience recordings clearly depend a lot more on position and quality of the equipment. Soundboard depends very much on the live mixing desk setup - the latter is prossibly the cause of the fact that this is a mono recording. Now the issue might be that the signal was 'collated' through the laptop input and was originally stereo. Maybe the original taper could shed some light on this.This information was provided in the first post. It was a mono feed from the soundboard. It was never stereo.

Karst
2004-12-17, 04:56 AM
http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/monostereo.html

New Homebrew
2004-12-17, 03:12 PM
http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/monostereo.htmlThe first one, used up to and including Pet Sounds, was called Duophonic, and consisted of two mono signals with an almost imperceptible time delay (measured in milliseconds) between them.

Thanks for the history lesson. Note the emphasis. The recording discussed here has no delay between the channels. What you are talking about has no bearing.

Greengoat
2004-12-18, 02:47 AM
Yep, basically all that has been done is allow simultanious sound from both channels. Nothing hightech or new, but 10 times better than straight mono, and 20 times better than any "fake stereo"ing or altering of the time loads.

I've done the same thing before, just never seeded it.

feralicious
2004-12-18, 03:30 AM
Yep, basically all that has been done is allow simultanious sound from both channels. Nothing hightech or new, but 10 times better than straight mono, and 20 times better than any "fake stereo"ing or altering of the time loads.

I've done the same thing before, just never seeded it.Why so stingy?

:p :lol :wave: