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sadu
2005-10-17, 12:28 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have two questions that I'm hoping someone can shed some light on.

(1) I have searched high and low but I cannot find a MEDIA TESTER program. I'm looking for a program that will spit out all the details such as manufacturer code max speed etc when I put in a CD.

(2) What is the difference between these two DVD's other then the manufacturer code?

1- Verbatim (94971) 8X DVD-R White Inkjet Media Printable 50 Pack
2- VERBATIM DVD -R 8X 50 PACK MEDIA Manufacturer part code: 94852


Does anyone have a good record using the "94852" Verbatims?

Thanks a lot :)

AAR.oner
2005-10-17, 12:36 PM
moving this to Technobabble...

and i believe DVD Decrypter will give you media info...

sadu
2005-10-17, 01:00 PM
Thanks AAR. I have Decrypter at home so I'll check it out later.

Anyone know what's up with these Verbatims?


I can get the "VERBATIM DVD -R 8X 50 PACK (94852)" for $20 but I wanted to check on the quality of the media first.

Thanks

AAR.oner
2005-10-17, 02:10 PM
here's a good info page on media http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

Gizby
2005-10-17, 03:06 PM
Ah, quality media, the scourge of the poor trader.

sadu
2005-10-17, 03:10 PM
Ah, quality media, the scourge of the poor trader.

meaning what?

Gizby
2005-10-17, 03:20 PM
It just seems hard to track down discs that are considered high quality and aren't an arm and a leg to order. I only have access to a Best Buy, a CompUSA, and a Circuit City, none of which seem to carry Taiyo Yuden discs.

It's just a bit discouraging to see people saying how if you don't have this kind of media, you can go fuck yourself with a wooden spoon before a trade will happen.

sadu
2005-10-17, 03:24 PM
Thanks again AA. I have that page bookmarked. I know what is and what is not good media (as per list) but I'm wondering why the two different manufacturer numbers/codes.

Even if you look at the two images it appears as if both are from the same supplier (OEM). I'm just wonderding why I can get 100 Verbatims for around 30 dollars when it costs almost double anywhere else in Toronto.

Thanks again everyone!

AAR.oner
2005-10-17, 03:24 PM
there's numerous sites with inexpensive TY deals...i mean, if yer wanting to spend only 10cents a disc then no, but i get TY's for ~30cents for DVDr, and ~25cents for cdr...thats pretty damn cheap if ya ask me...

right now supermediastore.com has 100pk of TY DVD-R for 28 bucks.

AAR.oner
2005-10-17, 03:29 PM
different batch probably...either that or maybe different speeds? "model #" is less important imo than manufacturer...tho certain runs so have better compatability than others...

you can also check cdrinfo.com for more info [i think thats the addy]

onemanguitarband
2005-10-17, 04:07 PM
It just seems hard to track down discs that are considered high quality and aren't an arm and a leg to order. I only have access to a Best Buy, a CompUSA, and a Circuit City, none of which seem to carry Taiyo Yuden discs.

It's just a bit discouraging to see people saying how if you don't have this kind of media, you can go fuck yourself with a wooden spoon before a trade will happen.


Best Buy this week. 50 Pack Sony DVD+/-Rs (made in Japan) for $14.95, can't beat that for top tier media.

Gizby
2005-10-17, 04:26 PM
Ooo, thanks. That is just about the only good brand Best Buy carries. The paper neglected to put in ads for them this week.

onemanguitarband
2005-10-17, 04:40 PM
It's just a bit discouraging to see people saying how if you don't have this kind of media, you can go fuck yourself with a wooden spoon before a trade will happen.

Also, not to sound like I disagree with you, becuase I've never turned down a trade because of media types. But to the defense of those that are picky, trades should be "even" and if you are using cheap discs, I don't think it is unreasonable for someone to be unwilling to give you quality discs for cheap ones. I don't waste my money on garbage media, and if I'm trading high quality media, I like to see something comparable in return. TY ((brand)))isn't the only high quality media made, as the posted link shows.

I'm personally more anal about the burner used to make the discs. From personal experience I have found that, regardless of the media that is used, 80% of the DVD trades I have made, I end up having to reburn them becuase the trader was not using one of the best burners available.

I can burn garbage media with my burner and have it play on drives that won't even recognize the very best media burned on lesser drives. I'm a firm believer that the burner is just as important as the media ID.

Most players are not pickey enough for most people to notice the difference in the burner that was used, but I have a couple of players that are. (And one of the players was $200+ upconverting DVD player, so it isn't because the players are cheap pieces of junk).

That being said, I really think everyone should use high quality media for trading purposes. Garbage media for personal use is fine. I think we have pointed out that price isn't the real issue here, if people would do a little research before they buy, you can find high quality media at great prices, even at local stores. Just stock up when they go on sale, and you will be set.

onemanguitarband
2005-10-17, 04:41 PM
Ooo, thanks. That is just about the only good brand Best Buy carries. The paper neglected to put in ads for them this week.

Does your local Best Buy not carry TDK and Fuji as well?

Gizby
2005-10-17, 05:06 PM
The Fujis usually go pretty quickly, and I've had mixed success with TDK discs.

onemanguitarband
2005-10-17, 05:16 PM
The Fujis usually go pretty quickly, and I've had mixed success with TDK discs.

Interesting. Concerning your mixed success with TDK, does it have anything to do with the difference between the Made in Japan vs. Made in Taiwan ones? I know the Best Buys around here typically carry the Taiwan ones, but on rare occasions they get a batch of the Made in Japan ones.

Also with your "mixed" success, I'm curious what kind of burner you use, as I think this may be the issue. I have virtually the same success rate among all brands (including junk, with the exception of the store brand Comp USA made in Hong Kong discs I bought for testing purposes-which truly are junk). And my success rate is around 1 out of 150-200 discs do not burn properly per brand, which is pretty good if you ask me). You may want to consider upgrading your burner if you are serious about collecting, next time some money comes your way.

Gizby
2005-10-17, 05:34 PM
My burner, ironically, is a TDK DVDRW840G. It hasn't caused me any problems, really. Just a couple of bad spindles.

I don't seem to have the labels on all the spindles, but they're all the same kind, and the one label I have says they are from Taiwan. One of the spindles was good for the most part, only a few bad burns. But the other two, I had to go through 5 discs on average to get a good burn.

Just so you know, I don't do much trading. And when I do, people opt for audio CDRs.

Gizby
2005-10-17, 05:48 PM
Now that I run one of these "TDK" discs through an info program, it's listed as 'CMC MAG E01'. And, since they're +R and from Taiwan, that would put them in the 3RD CLASS MEDIA category. Bastards.

Thanks for the link and the info. Is there an equivalent brand quality page for CDRs? I'd love to have the info around.

Rider
2005-10-18, 07:45 AM
Also, not to sound like I disagree with you, becuase I've never turned down a trade because of media types. But to the defense of those that are picky, trades should be "even" and if you are using cheap discs, I don't think it is unreasonable for someone to be unwilling to give you quality discs for cheap ones. I don't waste my money on garbage media, and if I'm trading high quality media, I like to see something comparable in return. TY ((brand)))isn't the only high quality media made, as the posted link shows.

I'm personally more anal about the burner used to make the discs. From personal experience I have found that, regardless of the media that is used, 80% of the DVD trades I have made, I end up having to reburn them becuase the trader was not using one of the best burners available.

I can burn garbage media with my burner and have it play on drives that won't even recognize the very best media burned on lesser drives. I'm a firm believer that the burner is just as important as the media ID.

Most players are not pickey enough for most people to notice the difference in the burner that was used, but I have a couple of players that are. (And one of the players was $200+ upconverting DVD player, so it isn't because the players are cheap pieces of junk).

That being said, I really think everyone should use high quality media for trading purposes. Garbage media for personal use is fine. I think we have pointed out that price isn't the real issue here, if people would do a little research before they buy, you can find high quality media at great prices, even at local stores. Just stock up when they go on sale, and you will be set.

Matching the media to the burner is actually the most important thing. It's totally ignored by traders though, which is why I tend to ignore this whole media issue. Which would you rather have a guy burn you a flawless disc on cheap media that works in his drive, or someone spend a ton of money on media that his drive has problems with. The same thing with the old "do not burn at higher then X speed".

AAR.oner
2005-10-18, 11:52 AM
i'll second Rider on that...the speed requirements is stupid...though i DON'T accept imation or any of the office depot no-names, any major brand i've gotten have had no problems...as much of a TY pusher as i am ;) , its assanine to expect everyone to buy them or trade with em...

fwiw, i usually just backup anything i receive to TY DVDR data discs for my own archives, and then B&P or offer the disc sent to me for trade...that way, i know my archives are on the best possible quality, it isn't a hassle for others trading with me, and it allows me to get the show on to someone else...

re: drives, i use Plextors, and have *never* had any compatability issues...some brands might take longer to read, but still no major issues...i'd highly recommend anyone getting a new burner to go with Plextors