All My Torrents Banned From Dime

[FreddySneaks]

Hi, I have just recently started on with torrents a few months ago, and have been converting some of my recordings and posting them on Dime. Last night, the admin banned all 5 of the concerts I posted with the following message:

Torrent: 543251
Title: Phish 1994-07-10 Saratoga NY USA
Uploaded by: freddysneaks
Banned by: DIME Site Mod

Reason
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Without more details on the original format and at a bitrate of 192 kbps this one can't fly here:

http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/DimeFAQ:Circumstances_Allowing_Certain_Lossy_Audio_Seeds

A torrent has been banned from DIME.

Torrent: 551875
Title: Bob Dylan 1994-07-10 Tanzbrunnen Cologne Germany
Uploaded by: freddysneaks
Banned by: DIME Administrator

Reason
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Without more details on the original format and at a bitrate of 192 kbps this one can't fly here:


etc. etc.

So I'm wondering what I did wrong. This is the information I'm posting on the conversion:
Source & Location: DSBD source, location Unknown
Conversion: JVC TDV661 Tape Deck to a Tascam SSR1 (44.1kHz stereo with 192Kbps bitrate)>CDWave> flac
Renamed and Organized via CD Wave Editor,
converted to flac via Trader's Little Helper

However, I have hundreds of recordings, most of which I did not tape myself, so I'm not always going to know the provence of a particular recording unless I was standing there taping it myself. Also I'm not sure how the 192kbps bit rate is so low? I'm converting from .wav to .flac. hmmmm

[mwonter]

I think it's the "192kbps" in your info file that's throwing the mods off, at least in part.

Check page 35 of the Tascam owner's manual, and you'll see that even though "192 kbps" is shown on your "Record Format" screen, if you are recording .wav, the "192" is not part of the record chain, that's just the default for recording mp3s.

You may wish to make sure that you are indeed ending up with lossless files, but I'm guessing you are. traderslittlehelper will do this.

The rest of the problem is likely your lineage in your info text. As these are your own cassette recordings, your lineage should look something like this:

Recording: Sony ECM-909 > Sony TC-D5M
Lineage: Master cassette > JVC TDV661 > Tascam SSR1 @16/44.1 > SDHC memory card > PC > tracked and renamed with CD Wav Editor > flac and checksums with traderslittlehelper.

I hope this helps.

[mdshrk1]

Been there. Done that.

[FreddySneaks]

Thank You! Your thoughtful reply will get me back on track!!!:clap:

[U2Lynne]

Not that mwonter didn't give good advice, don't you think the place to ask is over at Dime? They do have a mod email and they do have a yahoo group. They are going to be the best people to tell you why they banned your torrents.

[dorrcoq]

Because what you likely should have put was....16 bit/192 kHz

[Luke_of_Mass]

Not that mwonter didn't give good advice, don't you think the place to ask is over at Dime? They do have a mod email and they do have a yahoo group. They are going to be the best people to tell you why they banned your torrents.

dime mods and admins are always right and never second-guess themselves, so why would they even bother reading an email from someone on the other end of a ban? :lol4:

[Uncle Sam´s Army]

dime mods and admins are always right and never second-guess themselves, so why would they even bother reading an email from someone on the other end of a ban? :lol4:

You´ve right, the mods of Dime are arrogant wiseacre. Reading emails from an user who needs help, why? :lol:

[mdshrk1]

Main reason I post nothing there anymore.....

[655321]

The only qualification to become a Dime Mod is that you must be able to stick your own head up your arse.

[JackDog]

Not that mwonter didn't give good advice, don't you think the place to ask is over at Dime? They do have a mod email and they do have a yahoo group. They are going to be the best people to tell you why they banned your torrents.

I'm sure that you and mods and admins here hate it when people post questions about other torrent sites, but one of the greatest things about this place is that you have these forums where we can ask questions. And like others have mentioned, the Dime mods can be jerks (I don't know if that's the official policy there, or if they just have to deal with a lot of crap, but it is what it is).

[655321]

dime mods are fucking assholes. id like to meet some in person someday

You won't kicka dwarfs teeth out, want ya?

[Audioarchivist]

I guess I've been awfully lucky there - I've had help and positive response from Dime mods when I've had to ask questions about a couple of torrents I wanted to upload there. There were a couple of possible things in each that I wasn't sure about, and they replied within a day to clear up my hesitations and in one case give me permission to upload an upgrade in it's most complete form to something that had previously been posted with missing (and omitted) tracks...

I mean, I've heard stories of woe and horror of mods with egos and shit - just haven't really seen it first-hand...

To the O.P.: any luck getting answers from them yet? email them, and explain what's going on. You might hit a "good" mod by the luck of the draw... I wonder how many mods they have there, anyway???

[marksg]

Hi, I have just recently started on with torrents a few months ago, and have been converting some of my recordings and posting them on Dime. Last night, the admin banned all 5 of the concerts I posted with the following message:

Without more details on the original format and at a bitrate of 192 kbps this one can't fly here:

http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/DimeFAQ:Circumstances_Allowing_Certain_Lossy_Audio_Seeds

So I'm wondering what I did wrong. This is the information I'm posting on the conversion:
Source & Location: DSBD source, location Unknown
Conversion: JVC TDV661 Tape Deck to a Tascam SSR1 (44.1kHz stereo with 192Kbps bitrate)>CDWave> flac
Renamed and Organized via CD Wave Editor,
converted to flac via Trader's Little Helper

However, I have hundreds of recordings, most of which I did not tape myself, so I'm not always going to know the provence of a particular recording unless I was standing there taping it myself. Also I'm not sure how the 192kbps bit rate is so low? I'm converting from .wav to .flac. hmmmm

The mod knows nothing about audio formats or calculations, and you may be confused as well. I don't believe you are recording 44.1 @ 192. It is much more likely to be 48 Khz. 16bit/44.1 Khz = 176.4 KBs. 16bit/48Khz = 192. . Now I'd use mediainfo to see if my flacs are redbook [16/44.1], they are likely 16/48 as well, meaning they cant be burned to cd, so he's lucky in that he should ban your uploads but not for being lossy, but because they are actually to a video standard [48Khz]. In that case DbPoweramp could be used to properly dither the files to 16/44.1

for more info on audio calculations:

http://www.audiomountain.com/tech/calculations/Calculations.html

"PCM Stereo Calculations

Formula:
Bits per sample x samples per second = bits per second x 2 channels = bits per second of stereo / 8 = Bytes per second of stereo x 60 seconds = Bytes per minute of stereo x 60 minutes = Bytes per hour of stereo.

16 bit, 44.1 KHz, Stereo: [176.4 KB per second; 10.584 MB per minute; 635.04 MB per hour] (Note: This is the standard setting for CD audio files)
16 bits per sample x 44,100 samples per second = 705,600 bits per second x 2 channels = 1,411,200 bits per second of stereo.
1,411,200 bits per second / 8 = 176,400 Bytes per second x 60 seconds = 10,584,000 Bytes or 10.584 MB per minute of stereo.
10.584 MB per minute of stereo x 60 minutes = 635.04 MB per hour of stereo.

16 bit, 48 KHz, Stereo: [192 KB per second; 11.520 MB per minute; 691.2 MB per hour]
16 bits per sample x 48,000 samples per second = 768,000 bits per second x 2 channels = 1,536,000 bits per second of stereo.
1,536,000 bits per second / 8 = 192,000 Bytes per second x 60 seconds = 11,520,000 Bytes or 11.52 MB per minute of stereo.
11.52 MB per minute of stereo x 60 minutes = 691.2 MB per hour of stereo"

[marksg]

So in the end you are confusing file size 192 KB with bitrate [Kbps]

Stereo

Formula:
Bits per sample x samples per second = bits per second x 2 channels = bits per second of stereo / 8 = Bytes per second of stereo x 60 seconds = Bytes per minute of stereo x 60 minutes = Bytes per hour of stereo.
Settings
Bitrate |File size per second | File size per minute | File size per hour

16 bit, 44.1 KHz | 1,411.2 Kbps |176.4 KB | 10.584 MB | 635.04 MB

16 bit, 48 KHz1 | ,536 Kbps | 192 KB | 11.520 MB | 691.2 MB

24 bit, 48KHz | 2,304 Kbps | 288 KB | 17.28 MB | 1.036 GB

24 bit, 96KHz | 4,608 Kbps | 576 KB |34.56 MB | 2.0736 GB

[marksg]

10 minute edit rule is killing me.

You are confusing file size per second [KB] with bitrate [Kbps]

Your files are most likely 16/48 @ 1536 Kbps which = 192 KB/sec or 11.520 MB/min or 691.2 MB/hr

Again use DbPoweramp to dither those wavs to 16/44.1 then use TLH Flac Level 8 to create proper Flacs.

[marksg]

Here is a calculator online : http://www.theaudioarchive.com/TAA_Resources_File_Size.htm

You can punch in any # of bits and sample rate you choose. Even 12/32 still has a bitrate of 768. A Wav file with a bitrate of 192 Kbps would be 12 bit / 8 Khz. Doubt if your Tascam can even be set for that.

I also forgot that 16/48 is the standard for DAT. FYI

[shakey234]

I wonder how many mods they have there, anyway???
They have 23 mods!!
Administrators: erwe, jupiter2101 & nightshifted
Site Mods: Bob_cw, Brother_52, Gazdarf, McDanger, MissMarple, Nsima_1, Phenix059, randall, RubyTuesday, scottster & THEMODHATTER
Torrent Mods: Borlag, craig62, EastCoker, lintoni, monicasdud, rramstad, sea_eagle55, snakehead & tex

[mwonter]

Here is a calculator online : http://www.theaudioarchive.com/TAA_Resources_File_Size.htm

You can punch in any # of bits and sample rate you choose. Even 12/32 still has a bitrate of 768. A Wav file with a bitrate of 192 Kbps would be 12 bit / 8 Khz. Doubt if your Tascam can even be set for that.

I also forgot that 16/48 is the standard for DAT. FYI

imo, I don't think Dime likely to ban a torrent for being in a 16/48 format.

If you look at the sample screen for recording format of the Tascam SS-R1, you'll see where/why he (mistakenly) came up with the 192kps sampling rate.
Here's a link to the owner's manual on line, check page 35:
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/710706/Tascam-Ss-R1.html?page=35#manual

BTW, Planet Rock is being reported as possibly being closed to new members here:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=115645
check post #54 in that thread.

[vladsmythe]

Thanks a bunch mwontmeister. There was a bug in the system a couple of weeks ago. We are indeed accepting new members. :)

[marksg]

imo, I don't think Dime likely to ban a torrent for being in a 16/48 format.

If you look at the sample screen for recording format of the Tascam SS-R1, you'll see where/why he (mistakenly) came up with the 192kps sampling rate.
Here's a link to the owner's manual on line, check page 35:
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/710706/Tascam-Ss-R1.html?page=35#manual

BTW, Planet Rock is being reported as possibly being closed to new members here:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=115645
check post #54 in that thread.


You're not with me. That Menu pic in 5. is not possible, 16/44.1 has a bitrate of 1411.2Kbps and a file size of 176.4 KB/s. 16/48 has a bitrate of 1536 Kbps and a file size of 192 KB/s. The book even says bitrate is selectable only in mp3, that's because in WAV the bitrate is predetermined by the bits per sample and the samples per second. You cant alter the bitrate, it's a mathematical result of the format. Plus you really think that mod took the time to look at this manual? I highly doubt it.

If you don't want to read my proof that's cool, but it's irrefutable, absolutely spot on correct. I spent years analyzing samples on Audition. and those charts are reference material.

BTW, registrations are not closed at Planet Rock, I would know. I approve or deny them. All of them.

[mwonter]

You're not with me. That Menu pic in 5. is not possible, 16/44.1 has a bitrate of 1411.2Kbps and a file size of 176.4 KB/s. 16/48 has a bitrate of 1536 Kbps and a file size of 192 KB/s. The book even says bitrate is selectable only in mp3, that's because in WAV the bitrate is predetermined by the bits per sample and the samples per second. You cant alter the bitrate, it's a mathematical result of the format. Plus you really think that mod took the time to look at this manual? I highly doubt it.

If you don't want to read my proof that's cool, but it's irrefutable, absolutely spot on correct. I spent years analyzing samples on Audition. and those charts are reference material.

BTW, registrations are not closed at Planet Rock, I would know. I approve or deny them. All of them.

I think you're missing what I'm telling you. He saw the 192 on the record format screen, did not realize that was only pertinent to mp3 recording, and included it in his text file, that's why his torrents were banned. In no way am I refuting your math, and I found your reply instructive and informative, but off target in this quirky case. His entire issue was in how he wrote up his lineage. If the Tascam default setting for mp3s was 256, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Combining wav and mp3 record rate info on the same screen seems to be a common, and imo, confusing, practice on these chip burners not limited to the Tascams.

On the other matter, I will feel it's safe to assume that as my (legit) email to planet rock requesting to rejoin the site has remained unanswered for three months now, I am no longer welcome. That's OK, but a reply would have been nice, even if the answer was no. Consider that request withdrawn, no hard feelings, and best wishes to the PRLB tracker and the many fine members there.

[marksg]

Perhaps. Anyway as to your registration, about 300 requests were lost/purged due to the server update screw-up. You and almost anyone else here are welcome, and a fresh registration attempt will get approved, if you wish to reregister. I couldnt email you or anyone else as i couldnt retrieve any of the data. Sorry for the misunderstanding.